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Poster: Dharmachild90 Date: Dec 7, 2007 7:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: New deadhead

Hello, I discovered some of my Dad's old Dead vinyl and tapes a few years ago and really dig the stuff. I have the unique experience of probably being one of the few of my generation that has seen a dead show (Hampton 5/92) but am looking for suggestions for shows to listen to.
Thanks!

This post was modified by Dharmachild90 on 2007-12-08 03:10:52

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Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: Dec 8, 2007 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Stay away from pre-71 shows they mostly are pretty basic and may be a turnoff to you....try stuff from 77-79 (when the sound was epic) and 87-91

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Poster: BobP1339 Date: Dec 8, 2007 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Pre-71 shows Basic?? No way, that is some good stuff. They were very experimental and had a connection with the audience then. Phil states in his book that by 71, the mental telepathy between band and audience had been drastically cut back. There are some great shows pre-71.
Plus, if you ignore pre-71, you miss the great Viola Lee Blues...

2/18/71 is great, a lot of "firsts"
9/19/70 has a great Dark Star, as mentioned earlier
4/21/69 - introduced as "some guys from the west coast" and gets a small round of applause, by the end of Viola Lee Blues, the audience is really revved-up.

also 5/8/77 at Cornell is one of their best... (IMHO)

peace

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 8, 2007 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

You are wasting your time responding to a touch-head internet troll!

Dude knows absolutely zero about Grateful Dead music and is only here to start shit...

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Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: Dec 8, 2007 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

What exatcly is a touch head?is it someone who likes the band post 87?Someone that likes the newer songs from post 87?Thats me man.Im guilty.I am a huge fan of "Touch of Grey" "Standing on the moon","Days between","Foolish heart","Throwing stones","So many Roads", etc....Your going to tell me im not a real "deadhead",get the fuck out of here you scumbag. I forgot about more shows that you and your crew have ever come close to seeing,and thats a reality.....im a huge fan of the actual Band.So if you think that one of their songs was better because it was the "first time played" as you put it,your fucking out of your mind.Take that stupid deadbase shit and shove it up your ass....i get a good laugh to at the dude that said the band and audience had "telepathy" going.What exactly does that mean?Are you trying to tell me that they could read each others minds?Like witchcraft or some shit?Do me a favor and think about that statement for a minute,and maybe you will realize how absurd you sound...again,the sound and chords and solos are WAY more basic pre-71,and i think the new guy would love Some MSG 89.

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Poster: BobP1339 Date: Dec 8, 2007 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Not to get into an argument at all, but I was quoting Phil from "Search for the Sound" Those were his words, not mine. So if you have a problem with it, please take it up with Phil.

Also, I too like some of the later shows, I saw them in Philly in '87 at the spectrum and it was mind blowing...

However, my point was that to tell someone that pre 71 might turn them off is wrong.

One of the gems off of Archive, imho, is the Viola Lee Blues rehearsal from '66. To listen to them work on this song is a nice look at the behind the scenes working of this awesome band.

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 8, 2007 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Hey BobP - Just leave it at that. Tito has no ears, for music or people.

Oh yeah...and I agree. 71 is a GREAT starter year. Compact arrangements w/ripping sound and primal guitars. MMMMMMM.

This post was modified by high flow on 2007-12-08 22:15:54

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Poster: BobP1339 Date: Dec 8, 2007 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Yeah, but I didnt want the new deadhead to miss out...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 8, 2007 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

There are find in all periods. At first I didn't like the organ from the early years but I'm not now always in the mood for a 46 minute Playing in the Band.

1968 has some great stuff, esp Aug-Oct, and has song selection and a concentrated electricity that other years don't. Check out The Other One on 8-21

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-08-21.sbd.cotsman.17355.sbeok.shnf

And I like 1985 though people I know don't so much. I like June esp, and was just listening to Space:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-27.sbd.clugston.6104.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Dharmachild90 Date: Dec 8, 2007 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

I had no motives of aggregating a fight between fine dead heads as yourselves, but all of shows that have been recommended so far have been fantastic. Is there a specific version of "Space" that you guys think is best? Just kind of curious on this, but was there a reason it seems that in the 70's the Dead started playing less of songs like St.Steven & Ramble on Rose & Ripple?

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Dec 8, 2007 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Back in the early 1950's the government and the FBI were working on a top secret experiment called "Tito&Smokey." It was trial and error, mostly error.
You may know of it in it's more common name: birth control.

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Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: Dec 8, 2007 2:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

so you are goping to start saying shit to me for no fucking reason huh average joe?i never said shit to you.What the fuck is wrong with you?your a punk,for real.

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Dec 8, 2007 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Uhhhhh, actually Tito, the first time you ever responded to one of my posts you were talking shit to me. I know, I know. I'm not special, you talk shit to every one. But that goes right along with you always being the victim right Tito? Everybody picks on poor, poor Tito for no reason at all. Here is your reply to one of my posts of a joke that I thought was funny.

Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: November 15, 2007 10:38:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Now This is Funny....I Hope Everyone Enjoys
actually,its not funny at all,a complete waste of time.Small minds are easily amused

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=164800
Here's the link just so you know I'm not making shit up.

I personally have no idea what you're talking about Tito. People say to me, "hey, check out the big brain on Joe" all the time.

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Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: Dec 8, 2007 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

what?i was stating a fact.It wasnt the least bit funny.

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Dec 8, 2007 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Whether you found it funny or not, what was the purpose of bringing up the level of my intelligence?
So you started talking shit to me for absolutely no reason at all. By your definition, doesn't that make you a punk, for real?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 8, 2007 4:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Makes him a genuine asshole!

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Dec 8, 2007 6:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Yeah, unfortunately Tito is exactly that. He really thrives off of hatred. It can't be a healthy way to live. But, I really get a kick out of responding to him with reasoning. I don't think he knows what to do with himself.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Dec 7, 2007 8:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

You're getting great advice from the other forumistas who have already replied. If I were to choose just three shows from elbow's fine list, they would be 10-12-68, 11-11-73, and 5-25-77. Good luck with it!

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 8, 2007 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Lou, I love your recommendation. Everybody has to begin somewhere, and you've reduced it to the finest. Well done.

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Poster: Nothing Special Date: Dec 7, 2007 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

I`m pretty new here too. Alot of these guys have answered this question so many times they`re probably bored of it so I`ll give you my favourites. Mind you, compared to others here I`m no expert.
1968-10-12 Avalon Ballroom
1970-09-20 Filmore East
1971-12-14 Hill Auditorium
1972-09-28 Stanley Theatre
1973-02-09 Stanford U.
1973-05-20 Santa Barbara
1973-06-09 Robert F. Kennedy Stadium
1974-05-21 Edmunson Pavilion
1974-06-23 Jai-Alai Fronton
1974-07-19 Selland Arena
1976-07-18 Orpheum Theatre
1976-09-30 Mershon Auditorium
1977-05-28 Hartford Civic Centre
1979-11-30 Stanley Theatre
1981-05-16 Barton Hall
1985-10-29 Fox Theatre
But don`t take my word for it, just stick around here for a bit and you`ll learn. Someone comes up with a great recommendation eveyday.

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Poster: Dharmachild90 Date: Dec 7, 2007 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

thanks a lot man

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 7, 2007 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Happy listening.

Hampton 6/93?

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Poster: Dharmachild90 Date: Dec 7, 2007 7:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

hmm, talked to him and looked at the gd website, chances are it was in May '92, not 6/93

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Dec 7, 2007 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

they played hampton on 3-5 and 3-6 1992.3-5 was a nice show and had a good time.bruce joined the band that night.didn't get in the next night so i can't comment but 3-5 was very good for 92.

http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=27422

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Dec 7, 2007 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

This site has downloads of some superb shows. And more being added daily. Also the recommendations of the good folks on this site are right on.

http://www.gdfiles.com/blahg/

Peace.

This post was modified by average_joe on 2007-12-07 21:33:57

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 7, 2007 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Welcome young one. With 30 years and approximately 2800 shows its hard to point to a few to listen to. I would suggest trying shows from different eras to experience all that is the Grateful Dead and then maybe going back to sounds you like and experience more from those times. Here are some I would start with.

2/25/66 (should be assigned listening for everyone who comes to this site)
10/12/68
2/22/69
5/15/70
8/6/71
8/27/72 (no shows from Europe tour are here but you can find them elsewhere)
11/11/73
2/24/74
7/18/76
pretty much anything from may 77 (i would go with 5/9 or 5/25)
10/27/79
check out the shows from the warfield or radio city in the fall of 80
5/16/81
7/31/82
4/13/83
10/12/84
11/1/85
can't really help with 86
9/18/87
7/9/89
3/29/90
9/25/91
there are some good shows in october 94 but i am not as familiar with stuff from this era. I would suggest you look at lobster12 as a source for later era shows.

These are shows that for me represent quality from these years. They may not be the best and others may suggest different shows. I think they are fairly representative of what the band was about at these times though.

Have fun!!

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 7, 2007 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

add to elbow's fine list...

4/29/71
12/7/71 today in GD History (Run Rudolph Run)
6/11/76
6/14/76
10/13/80

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Poster: Speaking in Swords Date: Dec 7, 2007 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

June of '86, especially 6/30 with the insane Shakedown, is a good place to start for that year.

One show that seems to come up fairly often around here is 9/19/70, probably because of the Dark Star. Definitely one for the ages.

My recommendation for now is 10/19/73 (Dick's Picks #19) as I was just listening to it earlier and forgot how much I loved the second set. For sure a prime example of the heights the boys could reach in fall/winter '73.

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Poster: tw67 Date: Dec 8, 2007 5:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

This is the best show I ever saw or heard, some of the stories that have been told have become GD legend


http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-07-02.DTS.matrix.dan.21434.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 8, 2007 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Space is the place. Sometimes anyway, and it's subjective. I liked it because they had odd guests and freeform jams that tested your sense to anticipate the notes of the song born after space.

If you were drinking you might not have been into it, but I never drank at shows and was checking my head to see where to get off after the peak. It could be a little scary because of the power of the sound system -- your clothes would actually vibrate. I prefer the membranes between dimensions to stay intact sometimes.

I liked the 6-ft tall barimbaus and The Beam-guitar jam of 11-22-85:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-11-22.sbd.miller.77404.sbeok.flac16

Even more, Redrocks 9-7-85 because of marimba and The Beam with a beautiful Garcia section:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-09-07.sbd.miller.18102.sbeok.shnf

Space couldn't save a show though; it was good when it fit in the flow. What comes to mind is...

nice jam into D>S but Jerry puts an end to Space weirdness to get on with it
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-14.sbd.carman.13747.sbeok.shnf

I'm absorbed from Dark Star on
http://www.archive.org/details/gd89-10-26s2.dsbd.miller.18664.shnf


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Poster: AshesRising Date: Dec 7, 2007 11:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Dharmachild90: Welcome to the world beyond time and space inside time and space. Here's links to some unique items:

1.) Acoustic set billed as "Phil & Friends" --- you will recognize his "friends:"
http://www.archive.org/details/1994-09-24.paf.sbd.zelner-vernon.14071.sbeok.flacf
(1994-09-24 -Berkeley; possibly their last acoustic performance together)...includes an "Attics of My Life" for you....

2.) Acoustic Jerry & John Kahn at Oregon State Penitentiary (1982-05-05):
http://www.archive.org/details/JGB_Unknown_Acoustic

3.) Jerry interview from 1981 (..pay attention to tracks #5 and #9):
http://www.archive.org/details/jg1981-07-10-Interview.shnf

4.) Jerry Garcia Band: (1978-03-18; Palm Sunday - Warner Theatre, Washington, DC) (perfect example of the "Jerry Garcia Band" circa 1976, '77, & '78; the other vocalist is Maria Muldaur):
http://www.archive.org/details/JerryGarciaBand-31878

5.) Assorted odds-and-ends, including more Jerry Band and some Jerry with David Grisman ...just gotta poke around):
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=Jerry%20Garcia%20Band%20AND%20mediatype%3Aaudio

6.) Robert Hunter's journal:
http://www.hunterarchive.com/files/newjournal/56journal_2006.html

7.) Robert Hunter's miscellaneous (including lyrics):
http://www.hunterarchive.com/files/majorlinks.html

That Path is for Your Steps Alone,
--- AshesRising [Jerri1031-dp3 AT yahoo DOT com]

This post was modified by AshesRising on 2007-12-08 07:12:48

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 7, 2007 11:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New deadhead

Ashes ... your enthusiasm is completely understood, no further words required beyond:

This shaking keeps me steady. I should know.
What falls away is always. And is near.
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.
I learn by going where I have to go.

~ T.Roethke

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